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I’m lucky enough to be surrounded by really amazing people who don’t question or criticize my meatless choice (like literally, every one of my 15 or so coworkers goes out of their way to make me comfy)… But for those of you less lucky, the next time somebody uses the argument that “humans are supposed to eat meat… we have sharp canines,” you can say, “So do alpacas!” ;D
lmao fighting teeth. Although one thing that makes me wonder about the “are we really supposed to eat meat?” thing is that other primates do eat meat when they can get their hands on it (as do a lot of animals that you don’t assume would want to eat meat, and they’re -scary- about it [such as rats holy shit]). Maybe it’s like, super high class primate food or something?After you told me about the calcium from our bones being what breaks down animal proteins thing (making milk officially bad for you, yay) I’m pretty sure all my bones will disintegrate before I’m 40 now.
I want fighting teeth D;
I want fighting teeth, too D: Our canines are lame.
Yeah, I think of meat as kind of like… candy? Of sorts? Second-hand nutrients XD Not necessary (or good for you, judging by the state of America), but damn tasty. And since we’re totally scavengers, of course we can digest and use it. We can digest just about anything.
Derp, private conversation in public. Sorry, followers! I always hate it when people do this XD
What’s frustrating to me about this conversation is that choosing not to eat meat is a well intentioned way to dodge a bullet of guilt and attempt to make a shift in food production in this country especially. But using psudeoscience or emotional manipulation to convince others to cease meat consumption is not only unfair to those of us who rely on the inclusion of meat and animal products in our diet, but also unscientific. There is too much evidence that humans evolved together with meat-eating and the hunting and slaughter of animals. Wishing that wasn’t true or seeking evidence to the contrary is fine and good, but even if there are examples of meat-free diets, it doesn’t erase that we do and always have used and consumed animals. We are animals ourselves and we are dependent on this world and its living creatures. We are blood bound to this planet the same way lions and birds and sharks are, and I would argue that’s nothing to be ashamed or upset about. The problem is that we have become distant from animal life and ignorant to the fact that our own wellbeing is directly dependent on the wellbeing of the resources we depend upon, which includes living creatures (even the ones we don’t directly make use of). Money has driven a campaign of deception and secrecy that cuts us off from knowledge of what we consume and how it gets to us, and that’s what needs to change. I appreciate you acknowledging and respecting that some people physically can’t get by without meat-eating, and I’m glad you feel better on your diet. But I think it’s also important not to rush to the conclusion that meat-eating is wrong. There are solutions outside of veganism or vegetarianism and using psudeoscience to justify a personal choice or patronize others is dishonest, no matter how well intentioned.
Aaand of course it cut me off… Thanks tumblr app. What I was going to say was that my post was in no way trying to convince anyone of anything. That’s why I put “I think” in front of my very personal, very not scientifically proven ideas, and why I apologized for posting that in public.
Calling something pseudoscience, however, is a little rude. I did research before and after I stopped eating meat. I found arguments on both sides of the fence, and both sets of researchers have reasons to twist findings. I don’t call meat arguments pseudoscience, so I would appreciate the same courtesy. Thanks.
I worded this a little too directly at you when it’s this kind of conversation in general, especially when things like “Yeah, I think of meat as…. Not necessary (or good for you, judging by the state of America)” get said, because as I sent earlier, most of the health issues linked to diet in this country (and increasingly in other countries adopting ‘american foods’) can be attributed to how nasty and processed our food-like products have become, how cheap, palletable, and psychologically marketed they are, as well as how inactive our lifestyles are and how little healthy movement/exercise we get- not to our consumption of meat.I know you meant no harm or judgement in this but when anyone declares that eating meat is a) unnatural, b) unnecessary, and/or c) morally wrong, it is not only scientifically questionable, currently unrealistic (when half the world starves and meat provides an incredible source of energy), but condescends and judges those of us who eat meat and feel tremendous responsibility and respect for the lives of animals because we are literally and physically linked to our fellow living creatures through flesh and blood.
Dropping a wet blanket on the casual conversation of someone I admire and respect like this isn’t something I enjoy doing, and I don’t hold you personally responsible for how I’ve been treated by other vegans and vegetarians. But it was important to me to speak up for myself and others of like minds who are regularly looked down on or judged for not participating in the choice to not eat meat. We, too, deeply care about making things better for animals and humans, as we daily have to appreciate and consider the lives sacrificed to continue our own and what responsibility that invests in us as living creatures on this planet.
I wasn’t having “this conversation in general.” I don’t have “this conversation,” unless I’m prompted to by someone I suspect is a like-minded, interested party, because it hurts people otherwise. Despite you saying “I don’t hold you personally responsible,” you are plucking out my lighthearted little conversation and turning it into a debate. You are using me to gain some sort of restitution for other people who have my same eating habits. I don’t appreciate it.
I’m not going to argue with any of this, although I want you to understand very clearly that I can argue with chunks of this. I’m not stupid. I don’t make unfounded claims. I’m choosing not to because I don’t believe that these debates ever come out smelling nice.](http://25.media.tumblr.com/594a389cee7a990980ddb6bae1e26624/tumblr_mhub8wbyE51qduw0do1_400.jpg)
I’m lucky enough to be surrounded by really amazing people who don’t question or criticize my meatless choice (like literally, every one of my 15 or so coworkers goes out of their way to make me comfy)… But for those of you less lucky, the next time somebody uses the argument that “humans are supposed to eat meat… we have sharp canines,” you can say, “So do alpacas!” ;D
lmao fighting teeth. Although one thing that makes me wonder about the “are we really supposed to eat meat?” thing is that other primates do eat meat when they can get their hands on it (as do a lot of animals that you don’t assume would want to eat meat, and they’re -scary- about it [such as rats holy shit]). Maybe it’s like, super high class primate food or something?
After you told me about the calcium from our bones being what breaks down animal proteins thing (making milk officially bad for you, yay) I’m pretty sure all my bones will disintegrate before I’m 40 now.I want fighting teeth D;
I want fighting teeth, too D: Our canines are lame.
Yeah, I think of meat as kind of like… candy? Of sorts? Second-hand nutrients XD Not necessary (or good for you, judging by the state of America), but damn tasty. And since we’re totally scavengers, of course we can digest and use it. We can digest just about anything.
Derp, private conversation in public. Sorry, followers! I always hate it when people do this XD
What’s frustrating to me about this conversation is that choosing not to eat meat is a well intentioned way to dodge a bullet of guilt and attempt to make a shift in food production in this country especially. But using psudeoscience or emotional manipulation to convince others to cease meat consumption is not only unfair to those of us who rely on the inclusion of meat and animal products in our diet, but also unscientific. There is too much evidence that humans evolved together with meat-eating and the hunting and slaughter of animals. Wishing that wasn’t true or seeking evidence to the contrary is fine and good, but even if there are examples of meat-free diets, it doesn’t erase that we do and always have used and consumed animals. We are animals ourselves and we are dependent on this world and its living creatures. We are blood bound to this planet the same way lions and birds and sharks are, and I would argue that’s nothing to be ashamed or upset about. The problem is that we have become distant from animal life and ignorant to the fact that our own wellbeing is directly dependent on the wellbeing of the resources we depend upon, which includes living creatures (even the ones we don’t directly make use of). Money has driven a campaign of deception and secrecy that cuts us off from knowledge of what we consume and how it gets to us, and that’s what needs to change.
I appreciate you acknowledging and respecting that some people physically can’t get by without meat-eating, and I’m glad you feel better on your diet. But I think it’s also important not to rush to the conclusion that meat-eating is wrong. There are solutions outside of veganism or vegetarianism and using psudeoscience to justify a personal choice or patronize others is dishonest, no matter how well intentioned.Aaand of course it cut me off… Thanks tumblr app. What I was going to say was that my post was in no way trying to convince anyone of anything. That’s why I put “I think” in front of my very personal, very not scientifically proven ideas, and why I apologized for posting that in public.
Calling something pseudoscience, however, is a little rude. I did research before and after I stopped eating meat. I found arguments on both sides of the fence, and both sets of researchers have reasons to twist findings. I don’t call meat arguments pseudoscience, so I would appreciate the same courtesy. Thanks.
I worded this a little too directly at you when it’s this kind of conversation in general, especially when things like “Yeah, I think of meat as…. Not necessary (or good for you, judging by the state of America)” get said, because as I sent earlier, most of the health issues linked to diet in this country (and increasingly in other countries adopting ‘american foods’) can be attributed to how nasty and processed our food-like products have become, how cheap, palletable, and psychologically marketed they are, as well as how inactive our lifestyles are and how little healthy movement/exercise we get- not to our consumption of meat.
I know you meant no harm or judgement in this but when anyone declares that eating meat is a) unnatural, b) unnecessary, and/or c) morally wrong, it is not only scientifically questionable, currently unrealistic (when half the world starves and meat provides an incredible source of energy), but condescends and judges those of us who eat meat and feel tremendous responsibility and respect for the lives of animals because we are literally and physically linked to our fellow living creatures through flesh and blood.Dropping a wet blanket on the casual conversation of someone I admire and respect like this isn’t something I enjoy doing, and I don’t hold you personally responsible for how I’ve been treated by other vegans and vegetarians. But it was important to me to speak up for myself and others of like minds who are regularly looked down on or judged for not participating in the choice to not eat meat. We, too, deeply care about making things better for animals and humans, as we daily have to appreciate and consider the lives sacrificed to continue our own and what responsibility that invests in us as living creatures on this planet.
I wasn’t having “this conversation in general.” I don’t have “this conversation,” unless I’m prompted to by someone I suspect is a like-minded, interested party, because it hurts people otherwise. Despite you saying “I don’t hold you personally responsible,” you are plucking out my lighthearted little conversation and turning it into a debate. You are using me to gain some sort of restitution for other people who have my same eating habits. I don’t appreciate it.
I’m not going to argue with any of this, although I want you to understand very clearly that I can argue with chunks of this. I’m not stupid. I don’t make unfounded claims. I’m choosing not to because I don’t believe that these debates ever come out smelling nice.
